... guilty
sweet tee
someone pretending they never liked or listened to ice ice baby
... guilty
sweet tee
i am not doing too well at the moment with my uc and am practically housebound.
so i have decided to do something productive and finally read all the magazines the society have ever published.
i remember greg stafford claiming that he has read all the watchtowers and thinking that was a good idea to get a real overview of the witnesses' history and development of theology and ideology.
slimboyfat - to make it truly worthwhile, why not do a bit of fact checking along the way. Take random statements and verify dates, people, places, pictures, quotes, Bible quotations etc. Take time to think critically about what you are reading. Ask yourself questions as you go along and search for credible sources to answer those questions - that is, if you are interested in taking in 'accurate knowledge'. If you just want to re-indoctrinate yourself to the witless dogma then there's really no need to create a plan of strategy. Just eat up!
Warmest,
sweet tee
the thread about the matorian fragment has reminded me that i need to study with an open mind and not post on a thread with a concussion already established i got lucky today because i almost did just that on the thread matorian fragment.
we need to be opened minded, remember skepticism is a mask for the ignorant, we need to be skeptical which means to know topic we are skeptical about, we need to study with an open mind always and be willing to be wrong.
i see so many here on this board that hide behind skepticism without knowledge and that is true ignorance.
I agree with your definition of ignorant skepticism and it does pain me to hear people holding onto positions out of fear and ignorance, absolutely refusing to budge or even investigate their 'beliefs'. But hey, it's thier choice. I've given up on it myself. The more I see and hear fundamentalist, the happier I am to have left those ways behind me and added a healthy dose of informed skeptisism on the Bible and religious beliefs. I could never embrace blind faith again as I had in the past.
sweet tee
my mom had died on december 9, 2005. she had been loyal to that religion for 35 years.
she had been in a nursing home for the last two years.
some of the old ladies would come and mom would still write a letter to a "not at home" once and awhile.
First of all ... I am so very, very sorry for your loss ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( DAVE ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Funerals were the real beginning of the end for me ... first my father's, in a church, I went. Second my maternal Grandmother, same church, I went again. This was like a mini-rebellion on my part. Beforehand I would ask the elders or research any decision I was unsure of but when it came to my loved ones whom I had estranged by being a witness - I refused to disrespect them any longer in favor or a bunch of fake brothers and sisters. And I would DARE anyone to say anything negative to me about going to Daddy's funeral!!!!! Or my Grandmothers!!!!!! Regardless of whether one believes in an afterlife or not, attending the funeral shows love and respect for the deceased and gives much needed loving support for the surviving family and friends. It's really a beautiful way to show how much someone means to you to be there. But dubs don't live in the real world dear, they don't understand.
sweet tee
my wife got this by email.
it passed through many channels getting to her, literally hundreds of others received it.
it is unreal!subject: fw: daniel advancement of the stone... interesting.
I have friends (ex-friends) that are still in and are in a constant state of urgent anxiety because of stuff like this. They can't live life with true peace because of always being in a urgency mode.
It's truly sad.
That's the main thing. They must keep the members on the precipice of destruction in order for them to produce: attend all the meetings and get out and hustle, hustle, hustle the books & magaznines .. the end is so close. (But damn, it's 2006, it was close when I dumbed down in '85 ... I think we need to qualify the meaning of the word "close" . And I'm sorry, but that rock picture thing ain't gonna cut it)
Living on the edge like that is not good for your health or psyche. I remember walking around in a dreamlike state while in the dubs. Without a mind of my own. I would have eaten that talk up back in the day (sad but true, truly sad to realize this about myself now).
i notice that some people in here have left the organization and some are still in.
it is also interested that some no longer believe in jehovah i find it amazing when scriptures which were written to the christian congregation are always applied to the outside.
for instance the following scripture ".
acur - First of all, Welcome!
To your point that it's easy to pick Jehovah God the Almighty and Jesus the Christ our of the Bible, that much may be true. Just as it may be true that is easy to belive those things once they've been shown to you. What is difficult is to prove that the words in the Bible are true. It is debatable for sure. My thing is accepting the fact that not all persons believe the same way and that lack of concensical belief should not cause one to render judgement against me. For their own scriptures repeatedly warn Christians to leave judgment and vengence to God but it seems extremely difficult for religious persons to follow.
i notice that some people in here have left the organization and some are still in.
it is also interested that some no longer believe in jehovah i find it amazing when scriptures which were written to the christian congregation are always applied to the outside.
for instance the following scripture ".
No one can change my mind on this point.
This is the very reason people remain in oppresive religions. When a contrary view is presented it is immediately dismissed in favor of holding on to an implanted belief. I know research is time-consuming but after having repudiated the twisted beliefs of the Watchtower organization I do not profess to believe in any doctrine or dogma that I have not proven to myself. Therefore, at this time, I have no beliefs, religiously speaking that is.
Before anyone jumps to the conclusion that not accepting religious belief makes me some sort of hedonist, rest assured, I am more kind, loving, compassionate, HONEST (I don't have to cover up for the fallacies of religious cults) and conscientious now that I have taken personal responsibility for my own life than I was as a loyal JW (and I towed the line for 12 years in that cult - believe me!). And even though it would be easier to just go along with the crowd and feign religious belief I won't submit myself to blanket indoctrination ever again. If I do attend a church service I listen critically to what is said, take what I can use and leave the rest.
No one has all the answers and the more they say that they do the less I believe them. Jehovah being God the almighty is a belief. It is not a fact. If it is then prove it to me.
sweet tee
just a question.
many of us were passionate about the 'truth'.
our lives were the watchtower.
I sat down a few years ago and said a ferverent prayer not necessarily directed to any being, but in this prayer I said I want to know the truth and I'm willing to pay the price the answer may require. Within a short period of time tons of information came flooding in to me but the information and direction wasn't to any church. The information turned out to be in short that God, whoever or whatever he is has to be bigger than the Bible and religion. I started to rethink God without the concept of being born in sin and needing a saviour. I started looking at history, archaeology, science, and modern discoveries to format my thinking. I've concentrated more on being a good person, a good neighbor, and the father to my children that I never was. I love everything about life more than ever and I try to get the most out of each moment of life.
I agree shootist. I too opened myself up to the wisdom of the universe and was led to conclude the same. There's just no way I could confirm to 'organized religion' again, knowing what I know now. I still pray for direction - to whom or what I don't know and am not trying to find out. But the Bible God resembles mankind too much to be believable. And the cognitive dissonance that results from trying to reconcile violent executions to a 'loving' creator is probably what keeps the butterflies in the pits of the stomachs of those who do believe. That loving/fear/hope dynamic that played out in my heart and mind all the while I was in the borg ... (maybe you will be concealed in the day of Jehovah's anger) I don't miss that at all.
To answer the question regarding my passion: Writing - learning, my children, career, education, the four seasons - love in its many forms of expression.
sweet tee
the more me and matt go to work at our respective jobs, the more we seem to fantasize about having our own business.
how hard is it exactly to get started?
and what are good businesses to run from home?
Great advice everyone ... thanks for starting the thread kitty - I too am interested in starting my own business. There are some great suggestions here. I echo Skyman - put everything under your name, because women are in the minority, we do have access to certain grants and loans. A business degree can help tremendously, I'm in my senior year earning a business management and marketing degree. It's helped me tremendously. Contact the local Womens Business Association as well as the Small Business Administration when you're ready to start up. In the meantime, there are free business plan templates on the web, google it.
Best wishes to ya!
sweet tee
the sixth sense, extra sensory perception, telepathic communication, psychic powers.
we were all taught from the wtb&ts, that these things were demonic in nature.
i've always had a sense of myself as being touched, gifted you might say, at perception, being able to sense when something was about to take place.
I don't feel psychic in the sense of prediction although I am EXTREMELY intuitive. And I do feel that God's grace has followed me all my life, even while in the dubs. That's one of the things that made it easier for me to leave, realizing that God has always been with me and was never as hard on me as the borg was. Funny, it's a lot easier for me to comprehend things now that I've dumped a lot of the religious doctrines and judgements I used to carry around all the time. It's actually made me a much better person coming to grips with what I actually believe and why, as opposed to what I've been taught to believe.
sweet tee